Starting a business in the WordPress ecosystem can feel overwhelming, especially if you’re not a developer. Noor Khan has walked that path — and lived to tell the tale.
With decades of global web and mobile development experience, he has launched multiple WordPress-based products and services without writing a single line of code. His session is all about learning from real-world mistakes so you don’t have to make them yourself.
Noor will share the most common pitfalls non-technical founders face — from choosing the wrong partners, overcomplicating the first product, to ignoring critical customer feedback — and how he overcame each one. It’s not about coding or technical tutorials; it’s about strategy, mindset, and smart early-stage decisions that make or break a business.
You’ll walk away knowing how to:
Focus on what really matters in the early stages of a business
Avoid wasting time, money, and energy on avoidable mistakes
Prioritize customer feedback and iterative growth
Turn your idea into a tangible, WordPress-powered business
Noor Khan has shared his insights at WordCamp Malaysia and WordCamp Sylhet, and he recently founded LazyCoders LLC, creating WordPress plugins that bridge the gap between WordPress and mobile apps. Aspiring founders, freelancers, and agencies alike will benefit from her practical advice and down-to-earth storytelling.
Inspiration, innovation, and WordPress magic — it’s all happening at WordCamp Malaysia 2025. Don’t miss it!
Thank you for the support from our Bronze sponsor wpremote (inactiv.com)
We are delighted to extend our sincere appreciation to wpremote (Inactiv.com Media Solutions Pvt Ltd) for being a Bronze Sponsor of WordCamp Malaysia 2025!
WP Remote has been the trusted partner for agencies and freelancers for over a decade. From the team behind MalCare, BlogVault and Airlift, the platform transforms complex, time-consuming tasks into a simple, centralized workflow. Automated backups, robust security scans, one-click updates and performance monitoring, all in one place. WP Remote is the all-in-one solution for building a more secure and scalable business.
Thank you, wpremote, for your unwavering support and commitment to the WordPress community. We look forward to a fantastic WordCamp Malaysia 2025 with your partnership.
Thank you for the support from our Bronze sponsor OneSuite
We are delighted to extend our sincere appreciation to OneSuite for being a Bronze Sponsor of WordCamp Malaysia 2025!
OneSuite is the next-gen client portal designed for agencies and service businesses.
Your entire client lifecycle management – from onboarding to communication to off-boarding! The only platform combining CRM, proposal builder, project management, invoicing and client portal under one login.
Thank you, OneSuite, for your unwavering support and commitment to the WordPress community. We look forward to a fantastic WordCamp Malaysia 2025 with your partnership.
Our proposition is to provide a collection of super useful WordPress plugins, aimed at website admins, developers, and agencies.
We all want a simple solution to tackle some specific problem on our WordPress sites. Gato Plugins will identify many of these problems, and provide compelling solutions.
Gato AI Translations for Polylang is our first plugin, launched in February 2025. We plan to launch new plugins on an ongoing basis, based on feedback from our friends/customers.
Gato Plugins is based on the beautiful city of Kuala Lumpur, in Malaysia.
Thank you, Gato Plugins, for your unwavering support and commitment to the WordPress community. We look forward to a fantastic WordCamp Malaysia 2025 with your partnership.
Find out the best offers for a wide range of affordable, flexible, and high-speed prepaid and eSIM options for international visitors
Welcome to Malaysia, the land of vibrant culture, mouthwatering food, and ultra-fast 5G connectivity.
If you’re attending WordCamp Malaysia 2025, staying online is non-negotiable whether you’re tweeting from a session, finding your way through Kuala Lumpur, or calling home to share your adventures.
Fortunately, Malaysia offers a wide range of affordable, flexible, and high-speed prepaid and eSIM options for international visitors. Here’s your complete guide to the best plans that keep you connected throughout your WordCamp journey.
If you want unlimited 5G without worrying about data caps, Yes 5G is your go-to option. It offers truly unlimited data with strong 5G performance across most major cities. In areas without 5G, 4G speeds are capped at 7 Mbps, but that’s still fast enough for daily use.
You’ll also get 12GB hotspot data, perfect for sharing your connection with friends or powering your laptop between sessions.
For those who prefer balance and coverage, Unifi Mobile’s UNI5G WOW 35 delivers excellent value. You’ll enjoy unlimited 5G data under a fair-use policy of 50GB, plus 4G access with moderate speed.
It’s ideal for WordCamp attendees staying in Kuala Lumpur or exploring nearby cities, offering smooth streaming, browsing, and uploads throughout the event.
If speed is your priority, CelcomDigi’s Edisi Kuning is made for you. With blazing-fast 100 Mbps speeds and a generous 75GB data quota, it’s perfect for high-performance users such as those handling video calls, content uploads, or even remote work.
You’ll enjoy stable connectivity across Malaysia, making this one of the most powerful prepaid plans for travelers.
Hotlink Pantas 5G Monthly Pass combines affordability with convenience. It’s a great pick for travelers who need consistent data access without heavy streaming. You’ll enjoy solid coverage and stable performance, perfect for navigation, messaging, and sharing quick stories from WordCamp Malaysia.
If you love flexibility, Yoodo lets you create your own plan. Choose your data size (starting at 20GB), add call minutes or SMS, and only pay for what you require.
With 5G support included, Yoodo is ideal for travelers who prefer a personalized experience and total budget control during their Malaysia stay.
3 Top eSIM Options for International Travelers
Want to skip the hassle of changing SIM cards? Go digital with these trusted eSIM providers that let you activate and connect instantly, even before you land in Malaysia.
Airalo is perfect for short-term travelers. You can buy and activate your eSIM online before arriving, so you’re connected the moment you land. Plans come with flexible data packages to match your travel duration, no need to queue or swap SIM cards.
With Nomad, you get simple eSIM plans ideal for light to moderate users. You can top up data anytime, giving you control over your spending. It’s an excellent choice for WordCamp attendees who value flexibility and ease of use.
If Malaysia is just one stop in your international itinerary, Flexiroam is your best pick. It offers global coverage, allowing you to use the same eSIM in multiple countries without switching providers.
Simply activate it once and enjoy smooth connectivity wherever you go, from Kuala Lumpur to your next destination.
Stay Online Throughout WordCamp Malaysia 2025
From posting session highlights to finding the best local eats, having reliable mobile data is a must for every traveler.
Whether you prefer a prepaid SIM with unlimited 5G or a digital eSIM for instant setup, Malaysia offers options for every budget and travel style.
Pro tip: Purchase your SIM or eSIM in advance to stay connected from the moment you land and make the most of your WordCamp experience in Kuala Lumpur.
Round 1 Speaker Reveal: 5 Inspiring Voices Taking the Stage!
We’re thrilled to introduce the first round of speakers for WordCamp Malaysia 2025!This diverse lineup of developers, designers, educators, and entrepreneurs will share their insights, stories, and strategies to help you grow, build, and connect through WordPress.
Here’s your first sneak peek at the awesome folks you’ll be learning with this December!
If you’ve ever wondered how to make your blog posts actually rank — even in this wild age of AI — Kenny Lee has you covered!
With over 10 years of experience writing SEO content for big tech names like AWS, HubSpot, and Setapp, Kenny knows what it takes to make words work smarter. He’s helped brands all over the world climb up Google rankings with content that’s not only optimized but genuinely enjoyable to read.
At WordCamp Malaysia 2025, Kenny’s bringing his talk “Write to Rank – How to Strategize Blog Creation for SEO, AI, and Humans”, where he’ll walk us through what really matters when it comes to modern SEO. Forget the buzzwords and hype — this session is all about real-world strategies you can use right away.
Expect to dive into topics like:
Pain-point SEO — finding what your readers really care about
Keyword research that actually makes sense
Structuring content for both AI and humans
Smart topic clustering and on-page optimization
And yes — using AI without losing your voice!
Kenny has conducted his own workshops and recently spoke at a marketing conference, so he’s no stranger to the stage. Based right here in Malaysia, he’s passionate about helping creators and businesses write content that connects, converts, and stays relevant — no shortcuts, just strategy.
“SEO isn’t dead,” Kenny says with a grin. “It’s just evolving — and if we can learn to work with AI instead of against it, there’s a whole new level of creativity waiting for us.”
You don’t need to be a designer—or spend a fortune—to make your website look and feel amazing!
“Design isn’t just about making things pretty,” Yves says. “It’s about making your website work better for your audience—and you can start improving it today.”
Meet Yves Tan, an SEO Specialist who knows that great websites are built on more than just good rankings—they’re built on great user experience. In his session, “The 5 Essential UI Principles You Can Apply to Your Website Today,” Yves breaks down the core design secrets that can instantly elevate any WordPress site, no fancy tools required.
You’ll discover how to:
Improve visual hierarchy so visitors instantly “get” your message
Pick typography pairings that make your content shine
Use white space to bring clarity and focus
Choose color palettes that pop—all from your WordPress theme customizer!
As a local Meetup speaker and Toastmaster, Yves has a natural knack for turning complex ideas into clear, practical lessons that anyone can follow. When he’s not optimizing websites for SEO and conversions, you’ll probably find him deep in a book—or planning his next chess move.
“You don’t need to be a developer to build something great,” Noor shares. “You just need to start — and learn from what not to do.”
If you’ve ever dreamed of launching your own WordPress product or service — but felt lost on where to start — Noor Khan has been there too. And he’s here to help you skip the mistakes most founders make!
In his talk, “From Zero to Launch: What Not to Do,” Noor takes us behind the scenes of his journey building WordPress-based products without writing a single line of code. Drawing from years of experience, he’ll share what worked, what didn’t, and what he wishes someone had told him earlier.
Expect honest, practical insights like:
How to avoid choosing the wrong partners
Why your first version should always be simple
How ignoring customer feedback can cost you
And what really matters in the early stages of launching
This session is perfect for non-technical founders, freelancers, or agencies ready to turn ideas into real businesses. Noor’s focus isn’t on coding tricks — it’s on mindset, strategy, and the art of learning from your missteps.
With over two decades in web and mobile development (and a WordPress journey that started back in 2008!), Noor has built hundreds of sites and apps around the world. Today, as the founder of LazyCoders LLC, he’s exploring how to bridge WordPress and mobile platforms — creating smarter, more connected tools for the future.
Having spoken at WordCamp Malaysia and joined a panel at WordCamp Sylhet, Noor brings both experience and empathy to the stage. His mission? To make your startup journey smoother — one “what not to do” at a time.
Ever wished you could just ask your website, “Hey, which product page has the highest bounce rate this month?” and get an answer instantly — no spreadsheets, no dashboard-hopping, no headaches?
That’s exactly what Stephen Paul Samynathan is here to show you.
In his session, “Level Up Your Marketing Analytics Using MCP,” Stephen redefines how we think about marketing analytics. Forget juggling Google Analytics, SEO tools, heatmaps, and WooCommerce dashboards — he’ll show how to turn your WordPress site into a smart marketing command center where all your data lives and talks together.
You’ll see how to:
Connect your analytics tools directly to WordPress
Ask questions in plain English and get instant insights
Automate reports and uncover patterns without coding
Build a workflow that saves time and boosts productivity
Stephen will even do a live demo of a system that bridges all your favorite platforms — proving that powerful analytics don’t have to be complicated.
“Data should empower you, not overwhelm you,” Stephen says. “When everything connects, insights come naturally.”
With a strong background helping businesses from startups to million-ringgit companies, Stephen combines his love for programming, marketing, and continuous learning to create data-driven web solutions that truly make an impact.
As an experienced speaker and all-around tech enthusiast, he’s passionate about helping others simplify their workflow and make smarter, faster decisions — without needing a data science degree to do it.
“A secure and optimized WordPress site isn’t just faster — it’s more trustworthy,” Shehab says. “And that’s something every site owner should aim for.”
If there’s one thing every WordPress user should care about — it’s security and speed. And Shehab Ahmed is here to help you master both!
In his session, “WP Security and Image Optimization,” Shehab will unpack the most common cybersecurity threats facing websites today, what they mean for WordPress users, and how you can stay safe for the long run. From understanding vulnerabilities to setting up solid protection practices, this talk is packed with practical tips that every site owner can put to use immediately.
But that’s not all — Shehab will also share insights on image optimization, one of the simplest yet most overlooked ways to boost your website’s performance. You’ll learn how to keep your site secure and lightning-fast — without needing to be a tech expert.
With over a decade in the tech world, Shehab’s experience runs deep. He began his journey in 2009, went on to found TOSHOST in 2011, and later co-founded TOS Technology, managing over 300+ servers and leading large-scale system operations. Today, as co-founder of Addonix, he’s building innovative tools like Pixjet.io, focusing on image optimization and WordPress performance.
Though it’s his first time speaking at WordCamp, Shehab brings years of hands-on expertise and a passion for helping others strengthen their online presence.
Don’t miss your chance to meet amazing speakers, exchange ideas, and take your website to the next level at WordCamp Malaysia 2025!
Here’s a simple guide to help you make the most of your trip — from how to get there to where to stay and, of course, where to eat
Hey everyone! WordCamp Malaysia 2025 is just around the corner, and we couldn’t be more excited! Start planning your days and join us at Sunway University, Petaling Jaya. Here’s a simple guide to help you make the most of your trip — from how to get there to where to stay and, of course, where to eat!
Getting There
Sunway University is located in Bandar Sunway, Petaling Jaya — a lively area full of shops, cafes, and fun spots to explore. The good news? It’s pretty easy to reach!
Heading from KLIA? Hop on the KLIA Express Train to KL Sentral, the central hub that connects you to MRT, LRT, and BRT routes. Visit KLIA Express Train for more info!
1. By MRT/LRT:
Take the LRT Kelana Jaya Line and stop at USJ7 or SS15 Station. From there, you can grab a quick ride using Grab or InDrive to Sunway University.
2. By BRT (Bus Rapid Transit):
You can also take the BRT Sunway Line and stop at the SunU-Monash Station, which is directly connected to Sunway University via a short walk.
Need directions? Here’s the RapidKL route map to make your travel planning a breeze.
3. By Car
If you’re driving, you can park inside the Sunway University parking area. Use Entrance A for public parking — the parking fee is RM5 per day.
Tip: Traffic can get heavy during rush hours, so plan to arrive early.
4. Sunway City Free Shuttle Bus
Sunway City Kuala Lumpur offers a free shuttle bus service for residents, students, and visitors. The nearest stop to Sunway University is at Sun-U Residence, just a short walk to the campus. It’s a convenient and sustainable way to travel around the area.
5. The Canopy Walk
Sunway University is connected to Bandar Sunway via the Canopy Walk, a sheltered and elevated pedestrian walkway. It offers a safe, shaded, and eco-friendly route linking the campus to nearby facilities such as malls, hospitals, and hotels.
Nearby Hotels
If you’re planning to stay overnight, here are some excellent hotels near Sunway University to suit every budget. Use Google Maps to compare locations and choose the one that fits your plans best.
You definitely won’t go hungry here! Sunway Pyramid is just next door, packed with restaurants, cafés, and convenience stores. From local Malaysian favorites to fast food and great coffee spots — everything’s only a short walk away. Some nearby favorites:
Starbucks, McDonald’s, and FamilyMart
The Chicken Rice Shop
Tealive (for your bubble tea fix!)
Forgot to pack something? Don’t worry — Guardian and Watsons are conveniently located at Sunway Pyramid and around the event area.
Tips for a Smooth Trip
– Try to arrive before 8:30 AM to avoid the morning rush. – Keep the Grab app ready — it’s the easiest way to move around. – Wear comfy shoes, since you’ll probably do a bit of walking. – And of course, bring your positive vibes and excitement for WordCamp Malaysia 2025!
That’s a wrap! I hope this quick guide helps you get ready for WordCamp Malaysia 2025. We can’t wait to see you at Sunway University — let’s learn, share, and have a fantastic time together.
Heading to WordCamp Malaysia 2025 at Sunway University? Don’t limit yourself to just the conference halls — Subang Jaya and Sunway City are bustling with activities, attractions, and local experiences that are perfect for attendees looking to unwind or explore in their leisure time. Whether you’re into thrills, scenic walks, or cultural gems, here’s a…
Heading to WordCamp Malaysia 2025 at Sunway University? Don’t limit yourself to just the conference halls — Subang Jaya and Sunway City are bustling with activities, attractions, and local experiences that are perfect for attendees looking to unwind or explore in their leisure time. Whether you’re into thrills, scenic walks, or cultural gems, here’s a curated guide to make the most of your visit.
The list of top things to do around Sunway University to make your trip even more memorable:
Disclaimer: All images used are taken from Google
1. Spend a Fun Day at Sunway Lagoon Theme Park
A short walk from the event venue, Sunway Lagoon is Malaysia’s most iconic theme park. From thrilling roller coasters and water slides to wildlife encounters and a surf beach, it’s got something for everyone. Tip: Plan half or a full day here — and bring a change of clothes if you’re hitting the water park!
2. Explore Sunway Pyramid Mall
Just next to the campus, this pyramid-shaped mall is a Subang Jaya landmark. Shop for souvenirs, catch a movie, or go ice skating at the Sunway Pyramid Ice rink. Tip:Beyond the ice rink, there’s plenty of fun to be had at the mall — try your hand at Stars Archery, challenge your friends to Bomb Battle, test your wits in an Escape Room, go Bowling or catch a Movie and more!
3. Unwind with a Spa or Massage
After long hours of learning and networking, treat yourself to a relaxing spa session. Thai Odyssey is popular picks for massages and aromatherapy treatments. Tip:Book an evening slot to unwind before dinner.
4. Take a Break at Subang Ria Recreational Park
If you need a moment to escape the city buzz, Subang Ria Recreational Park is the perfect spot. This serene lake park is a favorite among locals for jogging, cycling, or simply enjoying a leisurely stroll along the water. Families and friends often gather here for picnics, while photographers love capturing the scenic views of the lake, greenery, and surrounding skyline. Tip:Visit during sunrise or sunset for cooler weather and scenic views.
5. Capture the Sunset at Sunway Lagoon Entrance
Right outside Sunway Pyramid, the lagoon’s main entrance, offers one of the most photogenic sunset backdrops — a must for Instagram-worthy shots! Tip:Golden hour (6:30–7:15 PM) gives the best lighting.
6. Explore Street Art in SS15 & SS16
Subang Jaya features colorful murals and street art hidden around SS15 and SS16. Perfect for photography enthusiasts or anyone looking for Instagram-worthy spots. Tip:Take a short walk around the courtyard areas for some of the best murals.
Bonus: Quick Side Trips Nearby
If you have some extra time during your WCMY25 visit, there are several nearby spots worth exploring outside Subang Jaya and Sunway City. These destinations give you a taste of Kuala Lumpur’s vibrant culture, shopping, and heritage — all just a short Grab or train ride away.
4. KLCC & Petronas Twin Towers: iconic Petronas Twin Towers – has nearby Suria KLCC mall which is great for high-end shopping and dining.
Even though Subang Jaya and Sunway City offer plenty to do, these nearby side trips allow you to experience a little of Kuala Lumpur’s culture, shopping, and iconic sights — perfect for making your WCMY25 trip extra memorable. Subang Jaya and Sunway City are more than just convenient locations for WCMY25 — they’re lively, welcoming, and full of hidden gems waiting to be discovered. From thrilling theme parks to serene parks, creative street art, and cozy cafés, there’s something for every kind of traveler.
Step outside the conference halls, explore, and make your WCMY25 trip an unforgettable experience!
David Wang – Turning WordPress Websites into Growth Engines
If you’ve ever wished your WordPress site could just work faster, smoother, and smarter — then David Wang is the man you’ve been looking for.
With over 15 years in the WordPress world, David has one clear mission: make WordPress simpler, faster, and more reliable for real people and real businesses.
He’s a problem-solver at heart, helping small business owners take control of their websites and transform them into powerful engines for growth, not endless sources of stress.
But David doesn’t just fix bugs and call it a day. He’s all about building smarter systems — linking WordPress to marketing tools, CRMs, and analytics platforms so your site runs (and sells!) even while you sleep.
If you’re heading to WordCamp Malaysia 2025 (WCMY25) at Sunway University, you’re in for more than just inspiring talks and networking opportunities. Subang Jaya is a vibrant neighborhood that food lovers will immediately fall in love with. Known for its bustling streets and diverse culinary scene, the area offers everything from sizzling street food stalls to cozy cafés, trendy dessert bars, and modern fusion eateries — truly something to satisfy every craving.
Whether this is your first time visiting or you’re a returning foodie looking to explore new flavors, we’ve rounded up 10 must-try dishes around Sunway and Subang Jaya that are guaranteed to make your WCMY25 trip even more delicious and memorable.
Disclaimer: All food images used are taken from Google
1. Salted-Egg Butter Chicken at JIBRIL
Located at 25 Jalan SS 15/4b, SS15. This dish is known for its triple-frying method and rich salted-egg butter sauce. Why go: A unique twist on fried chicken with creamy sauce that has caught local attention. Tip:Go for the “Nasi Lemak Butter Combo” if you want a full plate set.
2. Halal Thai Style Beef Noodles at Beef Bowl
Located at 10 Jalan SS 15/4c, SS15. Halal-certified, Thaistyle beef noodles and green chilli blend on the side. Why go: Ideal if you prefer halal-friendly but flavorful options. Tip:Ask for spice level if you’re sensitive to heat.
3. Rock Café
Located atMedan Rock Café, Jalan PJS 11/20, Bandar Sunway. This open-air hawker-style center is very popular with students for its variety of food stalls (Malay, Chinese, Indian, fusion) and budget-friendly meals. Why go: A lots of choices, good for groups, casual vibe. Tip:Go earlier in the evening to avoid the busiest crowd.
4. Nasi Lemak Burung Hantu
Located at Jalan SS15/4D, Subang Jaya. This spot comes alive at night — famous for its nasi lemak bungkus served with spicy sambal, crispy fried chicken, and fragrant coconut rice that hits all the right notes. Why go: A local favorite for late-night nasi lemak Tip:Pair your nasi lemak with a cold Milo or teh ais for the full Malaysian supper experience.
5. Balinese/Indonesian Flavours at Ole‑Ole Bali (Subang Jaya)
There are a few branches of Ole-Ole Bali in Subang Jaya.. This shop is a more “treat yourself” option—Indonesian/Balinese flavours, good for dinner. Why go: If you want something a little more upscale and for group dining. Tip:Great as a dinner option after the event, consider sharing plates.
6. Kafe Laksa Buyung Kedah, Subang Jaya
Located at B-11-G, Jalan SS 15/8a, SS15, 47500 Subang Jaya, Selangor. This shop specialises in northern-style laksa, especially the signature laksa of the “Buyung Kedah” style — fragrant, tangy broth, and plenty of flavour. Why go: Good choice for late meals (open until around 1:00 AM) — convenient for event-goers or those finishing the day late. Tip:If you’re unsure of spice level, ask for a mild version, especially if your palate is sensitive.
7. Dar Al‑Arab Gourmet Restaurant
Located at LG2.123, 3 Jalan PJS 11/15, Bandar Sunway, 46150 Subang Jaya, Selangor — the restaurant is situated inside the iconic Sunway Pyramid shopping mall, one of the most popular malls in the Klang Valley. Why go: Middle Eastern / Arabic cuisine with seafood platters, lamb dishes—ideal if you want something hearty and unique. Tip: Suitable for larger groups or those looking for a sit-down dinner with ambience.
8. Restoran Nasi Kandar Shaaz
Located at 1 Jalan PJS 11/20, Bandar Sunway, 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Restoran Nasi Kandar Shaaz is just a short walk from Sunway University. This popular mamak spot is well-known for its halal-friendly nasi kandar dishes, generous portions, and late-night hours — making it a perfect choice for a post-event meal. Why go: A great supper spot that many say stays open late, with some outlets even operating 24 hours. Tip:Don’t miss their crispy roti canai — a local favourite that pairs perfectly with a cup of teh tarik.
9. Binq Dessert
Located at SS15, Subang Jaya, Binq Dessert is the go-to spot when you’re craving something refreshing and satisfying. Famous for its creative shaved ice, chewy taro balls, and creamy pudding combinations, this dessert café is perfect for cooling down after a long day or exploring the area around Sunway and Subang. Why go: Generous portions with fun, customizable toppings Tip: Their signature Binq Bowl and Matcha Tofu Pudding are must-trieshe portions are quite generous, so it’s ideal for sharing with friends.
10. MyBurgerLab
Located at 3, Jalan PJS 11/9, Bandar Sunway, 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, myBurgerLab is a popular burger spot just a short walk from the event venue. Why go: A homegrown favourite known for its charcoal buns and inventive burger creations — perfect for a casual bite between sessions. Tip:Can get quite packed during peak hours, so consider take-away if you’re rushing and still want to savour one of their signature burgers.
From street food stalls to stylish cafés, Subang Jaya’s dining scene truly has something for everyone. So come hungry, explore boldly, and make your WordCamp Malaysia 2025 weekend one to remember — both for the learning and the flavours.
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